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zaebeats @
Monday, February 18, 2008 1:48 AM
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This kind of changed my perspective on things, but the artist that i thought were wack are still wack. Good post tho.
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Taylor B @
Monday, February 18, 2008 11:25 AM
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Nice post NFX. Gave a little bit more of a perspective on things.
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EcoDTR @
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:11 AM
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No disrespect, but I have to disagree, in a big way. Too many people today have the attitude that it's ok to make the same beat that the next guy's making, just because it will sell. It's led to a point where people who are creative and people who are doing their own thing, and truly have their own style don't get the props that they deserve. I mean beat makers, and artists in general are looked down upon today for being original, even by members of the hip-hop community, who, above all else should respect creativity. Hip-Hop was built on creativity. There was a time when most people thought of the entire genre as a joke, because it was so different from all of the other kinds of music out there, and people just didn't understand it.
Those were artists who led that revolution and brought hip-hop to the forefront of music. Now it's like the whole situation has flipped, If your beats are different from what's in the spotlight, and what's selling right now, it's wack. People think it's a joke because they don't understand it. Sound familiar? What really bothers me is when people who consider themselves part of hip-hop culture have this attitude. Not realizing that without someone who was artistic and creative, they would've never made their first track.
I'm not saying don't make music that's commercially viable, because yeah, everyone has to eat. But, always respect the man who's trying to put more food on the table.
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PAssassin1 @
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:34 AM
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this whole idea about whats real, whats commercial.is such a petty arguement.When hip hop was born everybody was " A hip a hop, a hippy to the hippity......And every phase after that,whatever was hot, the majority followed. When Run DMC came out with rock and rap, alot of groups followed. When PE and BDP was doing black awareness themed rap, there were a lot of followers. When NWA hit it big with gangsta rap the mainstream followed.The point is that no matter what the mainstream trend is, its all still Hip Hop and we need to stop bickering back and forth like a bunch of bitches.I grew up during the Kurtis Blow and Grandmaster Flash days and I still love hip hop today. There are outlets for all forms of hip hop with satellite radio, spoken word clubs, the net... etc. Hip Hop is not dead, its been jaded by money and jealousy.I'm down for all forms of hip hop music til i die.
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nfx @
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:59 AM
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There is an idealistic vision about hip hop and originality that is somewhat ironic. The originality takes hold and spawns copy cats which grows the market share of hip hop. Darwin's theory in baggy pants.
Something takes hold and it is played until it is played out. The second it takes root, it's no longer original. Most of hip hop is copying something previously successful, be it music, clothing, lifestyle....
How original is it to wear your cap slanted and baggy clothes? How original is snap music these days? Gold is out, Platinum is in. Errbody is copying errbody else. Hip hop is a big cliche.
It is correct that originality is needed to EVOLVE the culture, but it is not needed to succeed (ie. make a living at it) and thats the difference.
When the whole Kanye vs 50 things happened last year, I knew I would be feeling Kayne because he is more original. His album is what hip hop needs to evolve and grow, but I also knew that 50 wasn't going to starve because he's what is commercially viable right now.
Hip Hop needs to grow artistically AND commercially to be truly successful. Without the commercial aspect, you wouldn't have the power to demand the market share that hip hop enjoys today. Without that market share there would be so much less need for beat smiths.
I'm not trying to make anyone pick one side over the other, nor am I trying to convert anyone to the other side. Just be aware that there is another side and it is equally important to the big picture even if it's not important to you personally.
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Royal Beatz 07 @
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:35 AM
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You make a great point. Well thought out, in my opinion. There are artists, trying to make statements, and express feelings, and there are people trying to make the next hit, and say what everone want s to hear, and sing along to. I started out listening to hip hop when it was born, by way of my father, and followed it through its many changes. Once I began making it, it was on an artistic side, being as though I am an artist(drawing, painting, poetry, ect) and made what I liked, or wanted to express(song and beat wise). Needless to say, I wasn't very popular, and wasnt making any money on beat sales. I gave up rapping, and began focusing on making beats, and I feel as though I have a mix of in between an artistic POV, and something commercial, ranging throughout my beats. I am making money now, and I strive to make what sells, because I don't have a job right now, so I need to pay my bills. I find people who like my beats, and I work with them, and treat them well, and they reward me with the satifation of a sale, and making something creative to what I have created. It's a win win situation, hearing what someone has done over my beat, while I got pay the electricity bill, or the rent with the product of my success. I know I have to get a job, because it gets close some months, but i love making a living on production. Look out for RoyalBeatz07. I'm doing it big in the 08. JW
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Basik0000 @
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:11 PM
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Im aan artist but i want to get comercial ARTISTICALLY!! i want to fuse bot...I LOVE REAL HIP HOP ... tha TRUE STUFF!!! but remember what hip hop hop means hip = whats "in" hop = tha movement. to some hip hop is a genre but to others " artist" like me ... its A CULTURE!! but we can bring it bak.. n i dont hate comercial musik... i hate those in the musik business who have NO TALENT OR SKILL OR ANYTHING! while tothers work hard.. make unique things/ musik/ verses that r great n unique ... yet soulja boy gets da deal instead of the nex ans or nex j-dilla... its whatevvaa....
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nile_lata @
Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:34 PM
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To succeed in the Industry, you have to be creative enough to have a signature that seperates you from other producers, but at the same time: be knowledgeable about what's hip.
I'd rather be a tastemaker than a tastetaker, personally...
F8yl Blow Entertainment (FBE) www.myspace.com/fbebeats
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LO-KEY @
Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:51 AM
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MAN THAT POST WAS REAL INSIGHTFUL I HAD TO TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AT MY MOTIVES.MY GOALS SWAYED MORE TOWARDS THE ARTISTIC SIDE BUT MY OUTCOME WAS MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.WHEN I FIRST STARTED TRYING TO SELL BEATS A ARTIST TOLD ME THEY WERE NICE BUT HE WANTED SOMETHING SIMPLE AND CATCHY AND THAT MY TRAX WERE TO MUSICAL NOW IM MORE TRYING TO MAKE RADIO PLAY BEATS BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID GOTTA EAT AND PAY BILLS (LOL)
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Icy Ice @
Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:50 AM
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Music is music, and the construction of it has it's purpose............we as producers' and musicians play what we hear and do what we feel.........i just like good music, and i'm more interested in the colors used by the producer as well as his story because i can see them both when listening to a track, It tells me what direction he is going in amd what's on his mind.
Artistic has it's place within the universe, and until the misery merchants are put in check.......the what's popular will take presidence over the creative types!!!!!!!
Just do what you do...the money will come.
PEACE!
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